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Bank Job Windows

Discussion in 'Showcase - show us your work.' started by chris spence, Feb 18, 2012.

  1. chris spence

    chris spence PPS Master Craftsman

    Doing a bank job at moment and i got to thinking about all the bloody money these banks are making and squandering on fat cat managers and top flight execs.
    Soooo can anyone tell me why im having to do this with these when they could just blooming change them for modern ones ? :thumbsup:

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  2. mistcoat

    mistcoat Colour Changing Cowboy Staff Member PPS Painter Bar Member

    JMO on jobs like that while subbing doing banks, pubs, drug rehab flats, BT exchanges, simular projects etc. for Main Contractors. Most are - Get in, get out, Get your money!

    Why are you working around those bloody pigeon spikes, Chris. Rip the buggers out the way so you can do a proper job without hinderance.
    Let the MC replace them as necessary. Or price for replacing after the paint.

    IMO, you might be going overboard with prep. I would do it as you are doing it in your pictures if it were "my work" but as it is for a MC (I think), I'd be doing it with a tad less fannying about.

    JMHO :thumbsup:

    It will look good anyway after you've done :yes:
  3. Colour Republic

    Colour Republic PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Christ sake Chris I thought you were doing a proper bank job and needed a safe house. When you've 'blown the bloody doors off' give me a call :winky:
  4. CheshireDecorator

    CheshireDecorator PPS Master Craftsman PPS Painter Bar Member

    Totally disagree with mistcoat what's the point in doing the job if if its going to be failing to bits again in a short while?

    Anyway good job.

    Ps agree with mistcoat about the spikes get the things gone


    Sorry missread mistcoats post about the preb , people shouldn't price if there going to do a rough job its ripping people of imo
  5. mikethebrush

    mikethebrush PPS Master Craftsman

    got to agree with missed a coat on this

    learnt from site work, as long as its coated up with no gaps, brushmarks etc and looks good thats what your paid for

    spend too long on it and you wont get another , they want you in and out pronto

    one guy painted a unit took 14 days, looked the mutts but they sacked him. it cost them no more money as he was on price but it through their schedule out

    I was taking 5 days to paint a unit which should have taken 4 but they allowed me that as it was still one a week, they just told me i was slow due to being used to domestic work and i needed to speed up a bit and as Tim said stop fannying around
  6. CheshireDecorator

    CheshireDecorator PPS Master Craftsman PPS Painter Bar Member

    Nah can't work like that, I love my job because I love making a good job, take that away and id rather go work in a factory.
  7. mikethebrush

    mikethebrush PPS Master Craftsman


    I use a cintride scraper with replaceable blades , it will pull all that crap off in one pass back to bare wood , you can then bring it forward

    dont stand there feathering in brittle paint and spot priming etc, like wise the putty , rip it all out in one go and then gun new stuff in and knife off

    commercial work is about working efficiantly to a system and getting it done, no one is even going to know or care about the prep you put in , they will just look at how long it took you[hr]

    cant see the difference between sitework and factory work
  8. CheshireDecorator

    CheshireDecorator PPS Master Craftsman PPS Painter Bar Member

    Sorry mike meant I'd rather go work in a factory as a factory worker.
    I do know what you mean tho it has to be cost wise, depends on the work your use to I suppose.
  9. cam12

    cam12 PPS Tradesman

    Agree with CD on this ,price to do a job that will last,how much more work will you get if the job falls apart in 6 months.
  10. mistcoat

    mistcoat Colour Changing Cowboy Staff Member PPS Painter Bar Member

    If you're subbing to a MC and they have priced the work and they tell you to get in and get out, that is what you do. Their loss if it all fails in three months.
    If it is my own work, I price accordingly and do the job properly because I would hope to get more work from it.

    Now, if you have all finished thinking I'm a tosher, I shall carry on with my pricing up of 50 no. brand new bare timber doors requiring 2cts emulsion and 1ct gloss. I think the knotting is in the emulsion, isn't it :scratchhead:

    Oh, and I won't be painting the top or bottom of the doors :lol:

  11. Welsh Decorator

    Welsh Decorator PPS Master Craftsman

    Aside form what the main contractor wants or pay's for, for you it's called pride in the job.

    Mistcoat, the knotting in emo is normally at the bottom of the can, so a good stir is needed!
  12. mikethebrush

    mikethebrush PPS Master Craftsman

    theres a few of making an assumption here and you couldnt be more wrong

    commercial and sitework have to be finished to a high standard

    it also has to be finished quick and thats the hard part, its easy to spend days filling amd sanding to get a flawless finish

    in commercial/sitework you still have to achieve the same finish to the same spec eg if its prime .u/c, and gloss then that is what you do. the secret is doing it quick and efficiantly

    you work to a system

    you complete every stage completely before moving on to the next stage

    if your facing a poor and failed substrate as above, get rid of it as quickly as you can,dont spend time working around it or getting over it

    you dont have time to faff about but that doesnt me running around like a headless chicken or scamping the job to get it done

    it means working methodically and doing it right first time negating the need to go back and faff about with bits of it
  13. andyrolls

    andyrolls PPS Craftsman

    Dont forget to leave a massive stipple on them doors:thumbsup:
  14. acmasterpainter

    acmasterpainter PPS Master Craftsman

    Got to size up each job and think through the repercussions of doing things in a certain way.

    I took 7 days to carefully burn the paintwork off a boat. Took it straight down to bare mahogany, quick flick with scratch and it was perfect. At the same time the regular "boat guy" in the yard had his bloke take a blow torch to a similar size wooden boat to get the worst of the paint off, then ripped it all down with 40 grit powersanders. Took him 4 days. He was all smug- hey slow coach specialist Brit painter, look what we can do, we're done and you still got 3 days to go, sort of idea.

    True, but what he neglected to brag about was that the way they had done the job , the planks were probably 1/4" thinner than before they started, which was basically an early death sentence on the whole damn boat. ie One more redec like that and it would need replanking.

    Not really an issue on a bank window, but just saying. Someone somewhere one day pays big for endless short cuts. just look at UK plc!
  15. mistcoat

    mistcoat Colour Changing Cowboy Staff Member PPS Painter Bar Member

    It sounds like site work has changed for the better. It used to be (1980's/early 90's) in and out when house bashing with a skip on the knotting, hit all the woodwork in with the white emulsion from the lids as a primer and one under and one gloss. Same for any new office work or the likes.

    Pleased it has changed. But I don't believe for one minute it is always done properly by every painter on site. Not tarring anyone here of course. If you can do it properly and if you are subbing to someone who has priced for it to be done properly, then do it that way.

    I had some good teachers who expected you to do it right on sites. Our guv'nors used to say, "just hit it." My Dad would always refuse and KPS, 2u/c and 1 gloss or vice versa. He used to b*ll*ck me if I did as I was asked by the boss and always made the blokes do it Dad's way. He had a lot of clout on that firm.

    Since going it alone I am into my resi work for the most part, and if I price for m+2, it gets a m+2 etc.

    I never usually stir my paint as I can't see why I need to expend further energy doing so. It is hard enough moving a brush up and down all day :lol:
    Anyway, I shall apologise now to anyone who thinks I am a tosher and also apologise to Mr C for helping in derailing his topic.

    How is it going Chris? All looking good I hope :thumbsup:
  16. mikethebrush

    mikethebrush PPS Master Craftsman

    @ acmasterpainter

    I think this is where an understanding and depth of knowledge of our craft comes into its own, burining off is a skill , you need to lift the old paint cleanly from the substrate leaving the timber as it was prior to coating up, only requiring a sand to prep for new coats, the other guys didnt possess tht skill or knowledge so went for the big guns to get over their rough job
  17. Welsh Decorator

    Welsh Decorator PPS Master Craftsman

    Had my fair share of site work, admittedly, it was in the 80's, all speed and low price, the motto was 'It will all dry together' . Hated every hour of every day on it! :headwall::headwall::headwall:

    If Chris want's to produce a good standard of work, esp if he's been told to 'just get it painted!' then good for him. :thumbsup:
    I have beed asked in the past by clerk of work's why was I taking so long and rubbing down a bell tower, that you had a job to see from the ground and that nobody would ever see, my answer? ...... Because I know I will have done it right!

    Mistcoat, only kidding about the knotting, it's normally evaporated by the time you open the tin, I mean plastic tub! :jester:

    Mike, It's a case of each to there own, if this suite's Chris, then so be it. :dunno:
  18. mistcoat

    mistcoat Colour Changing Cowboy Staff Member PPS Painter Bar Member

    You cannot state fairer than that.
    I wasn't knocking him at all. I hope everyone knows that. Just putting something to him.
    Us talking about this is great :thumbsup:

    I know you were joking about it being in the bottom, WD.
    It is impossible for the knotting to reach the bottom of the tub as it will be unable to pass thru the thick blanket of crud sitting on top of the mully.
  19. Welsh Decorator

    Welsh Decorator PPS Master Craftsman

  20. mikethebrush

    mikethebrush PPS Master Craftsman

    not having a go at chris , just dont want to see him put his all into this just to be knocked back

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