I suppose this smiley --> didn't help too much with your comment and the suggestion maybe because of another forums involvement. That's the only reason why I defended I'm not bothered about other forums, the same as they are not bothered about ours here. Well, one forum was, I know. I think that just may be some folks preferred way of doing things (their opinion), Samdex. BM have always said to use Advance Primer for the best finish, especially when the High Gloss is to be the top coat. Not out to have a barney with you pal, all just my thoughts and opinion too I agree with @3 spires above about Haft and HH.