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Paint tech course / choosing new airless

Discussion in 'Spray Painting' started by crj, Jul 16, 2021.

  1. 3 spires

    3 spires I like the no nonsense approach me Bar Member

    TBH I think SMS are in some sort of partnership with the Idaho Painter I know Pete has been over the pond to teach paper dangling and Chris over here sounds like a right jolly!

    It seems like they push and promote what's in their interests and will not give honest and upfront reviews for the fear of future lost revenue with manufacturers and suppliers they may piss off, but then educating sprayers can only be good for them and the future sprayers!

    But unless you are spraying werehouses or newbuilds etc meterage prices aren't much use its very different in the USA even their houses are alot more straightforward hence the spray culture, it would be great to work that way and push up prices but over here that's not gonna happen, wouldn't it be nice for a home owner to see a price for £8 per meter as a standard to pay to emulsion walls and ceilings per coat!
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  2. Hang it all

    Hang it all PPS Craftsman Bar Member

    when I bought my graco 390 a few years back, a guy from graco came out, set it up for me and spent the morning with me showing me how to use it..
    I kept asking him to show me “just one more time” , hoped he might end up mist coating a couple of plots for me :biggrin:

    Seriously tho, in my experience customer service from Graco is second to none
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  3. Sprayandrun

    Sprayandrun PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    I think we should put @Tomcio as pps tester as lets face it most of us are too lazy to test it like @Tomcio would.

    So if graco etc want send us a free hire one etc then we can get an unbiased test going. P&d can write it up and tik and bm can supply the paint.

    I'll take the brown envelopes so @Tomcio isn't too busy and if the tax man asks im @Peter Humphreys .
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  4. mistcoat

    mistcoat Colour Changing Cowboy Staff Member PPS Painter Bar Member

    I think Tomcio would be good. But I feel he would just throw tea bags at it to see if the body stains up :biggrin: :jester:

    TriTech is an American spray company, so I would say they must be pretty good. We have our old stalwarts in Graco, Titan etc.
    Wouldn't hurt to give the TriTech a go,,, if it is good for you and your business and you could possibly get a free run out with it on one job.
    They want you to use their gear. Give you a free run out with it :winky:
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  5. Sprayandrun

    Sprayandrun PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Got say @mistcoat surprised @decoratingdirect haven't starting producting a tea bag pocket on their bibs as we all carry our teabags and tweezers now on every job.

    Back to the sprayers does brewers still have its spray section to try them out as i remember lee (your side, kent boys) had a spray section so presume up north they will have them too @crj .
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  6. crj

    crj PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Yeah Mr Idaho has been to paint tech in Preston. Pete is clearly in awe of him and quite rightly I suppose as he opened Pete's eyes to the money that can be earned.

    I'm halfway thru Pete's pricing book and again I find issues with the sqm pricing. I agree with most sentiments in the book but,as you say, unless you're pricing warehouses and the like I just can't see it working over here .

    Also, if you're competing with other decs per sqm how do you differentiate yourselves from them ?

    His argument is that at least you've got a standard model to work with amnd can scale up accordingly. Also, if Mrs Jones at no5 wanted her whole house doing and Mrs Brown at no7 saw you did a good job and wants the identical job doing in an identical house at least you can give the same price without looking at it.

    What if Mrs Brown was a complete pain in the arse and her house was a schitt tip? You've cornered yourself with your sqm rule and have no wiggle room for the nuances of the job.

    Not for me .

    I do agree that certain jobs should be priced at their worth though rather than just your day rate. Ie kitchens, to replace a kitchen costs say at least 15k whereas to spray should be at least 2k for this very reason. Same with a front door etc.

    I see sprayers on some forums who still 'only'charge 150 a day for their services. I think these 'value of the job'are more aimed at them as they're clearly undercharging in the first place.

    If you already charge a decent day rate anyway you're almost there anyway if working on domestics and just using your sprayer for ceilings and the like.

    Onv can earn more doing more specialised stuff like kitchens etc which is where the 'value' model works better
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2021
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  7. crj

    crj PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Thanks for this. How did you go about arranging him to do this? I think I've a contact for one of their reps actually but can't find it.
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  8. bobajob

    bobajob PPS Craftsman Bar Member

    When i bought my graco many years ago from hi tech i went over to Bristol to try out the machine said yes i want it they sent it to the job i was on with a rep set it up and ran through what to do.Must admit hardly used it for years its only fairly recently that I’ve got into it
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  9. RonyT

    RonyT PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Brewers use to have a spray test and play with area in the upstairs of their unit at Lee/Hither Green branch.
    That went 4 (?) years ago and not sure that its been re-introduced after they moved units nextdoor.
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  10. Tomcio

    Tomcio Brush Navigator Bar Member

    I was looking in to airless and the Tecnover pump is a winner for me.
    Diapghram pump as far as I know doesn't have to many parts to be worried about it's tried and tested and the price for TR 4000P is no brainer the only downside is the 25kg weight.
    Still didn't purchase it as have other spendings at the moment but in about 2 months it will change.
  11. PaintHQ

    PaintHQ PPS Time Served

    @crj I second this.. and like @RonyT I’ve not used a TriTech pump.. I have heard good things.. American build, solid machine, metal housing (possibly all metal) built with quality materials, prime switch is solid, etc, etc.. and I hear all the TriTech models have technology that regulates spray pressure.. what Graco call SmartControl, which is only introduced with the 395 model, then the models above.. Now I have the 395, and I’ve added the hopper kit.. for me personally, the hopper is a game changer, everything from straining paints to the cleanup is so much easier.. I’m very glad I’ve got the 395, I know I’ve got s real workhorse that day in day out handles everything I throw at it... But I have to say I like everything I have heard about the GX21FF.. as @RonyT has put, Vs the GXFF, the GX21 has that extra power, and adding a hopper is genius.. aimed at all us decorators, it will work for you on every job, every day.. I can also vouch for the service you get from Graco, they really do want you back up and running with minimal downtime.. I’m tempted to get the GX21FF myself.. but then I love spraying and the kit and extra bits can be addictive.. I always say though, they need to be put to work, earn their keep.. whatever you choose @crj do exactly that, get spraying, never give up, trust me you won’t look back... and any “teething problems’ we’re all here to support and help you..

    Ps .. I’m not convinced with TriTech tips, I hear they need to bed in, but so far my experience is.. they work at higher pressure to atomise the material Vs FFLP / LP and HEA tips.. and create a lot of dust!
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  12. ahenrypd

    ahenrypd PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Tricky decision @crj You only really know what sprayer best suits your needs once you have had one for a while. That is usually the more expensive one. :biggrin:
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  13. Sprayandrun

    Sprayandrun PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    @RonyT i use to be able to walk to that brewers on a few jobs but was a single guy and got to know the female manager too well hence not been their for a few years. Handy little patch as it had plumbers merchants their as well and charlton for toolstation etc, liked it around that area.

    @crj i say if you find 1 useful thing in a book its worth buying.

    I like you dont agree with him on m2 as you rightly say its not really the same as mrs y might have lots of furniture, worse condition etc.
    I do think his right on alot of business advice though its up to the reader to figure out what bits.
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  14. crj

    crj PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Finally chosen a machine then completely forgot to buy extensions for the gun.

    On a job with fairly high ceilings and will want some for normal height ceilings too.

    Suppose it's too much to ask for an all rounder one, or do you have to buy three different ones much like you meed 3 different sanders etc etc $$$$$$££££ ?


    Ps any particular brand better than the other ? Ta
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  15. ahenrypd

    ahenrypd PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Imo Don't think any brand better then the other. I get by with 10inches and have a 2m one for hsl and really high ceilings. Really only need the cleanshot for regular ceilings.
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  16. PaintHQ

    PaintHQ PPS Time Served

    Which machine did you choose in the end buddy?..

    You can join them.. just a nip up with a couple of wrenches is sufficient.. only downside, it can get weighty in the hand with a cleanshot attached too.. for me I often choose to spray standard ceiling heights with just the gun (helps being tall):smile:
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  17. 3 spires

    3 spires I like the no nonsense approach me Bar Member

    Welcome to my world I try not to buy stuff but I definitely have a problem and need to seek some kind of therapy, slippery slope this decorating lark!
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  18. crj

    crj PPS Master Craftsman Bar Member

    Went for the gx21ff @PaintHQ

    Great service from @SpraymanUK , ordered 2pm yesterday and received by 10 am this morning.

    Just bought a 10 inch extension, finally get to feel what it's like to have 10 inches in my hand, and it's my own and not someone else's (just pre empting any smart arses :biggrin:)

    Thanks again for all advice.
  19. bitzz

    bitzz Born to fish. Forced to work Bar Member

    Just bought a 10 inch extension, finally get to feel what it's like to have 10 inches in my hand, and it's my own and not someone else's (just pre empting any smart arses :biggrin:)
    Thanks again for all advice.[/QUOTE]

    ………..ooooooh errrrrrr missus !!!!!!!
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  20. PaintHQ

    PaintHQ PPS Time Served

    Great choice.. Welcome to the addictive world of spraying.:smile:
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